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Post by Guest on Fri Aug 12, 2011 2:27 pm


From Jesus’ socialism to capitalistic Christianity

By Gregory Paul

A truly strange thing has happened to American Christianity. A set of profound contradictions have developed within modern conservative Christianity, big and telling inconsistencies that have long slipped under the radar of public knowledge, and are only now beginning to be explicitly noted by critics of the religious and economic right.


Here is what is peculiar. Many conservative Christians, mostly Protestant but also a number of Catholics, have come to believe and proudly proclaim that the creator of the universe favors free wheeling, deregulated, union busting, minimal taxes especially for wealthy investors, plutocrat-boosting capitalism as the ideal earthly scheme for his human creations. And many of these Christian capitalists are ardent followers of Ayn Rand, who was one of - and many of whose followers are -- the most hard-line anti-Christian atheist/s you can get. Meanwhile many Christians who support the capitalist policies associated with social Darwinistic strenuously denounce Darwin’s evolutionary
science because it supposedly leads to, well, social Darwinism!

Meanwhile atheists, secularists and evolutionist are denounced as inventing the egalitarian evils of anti-socially Darwinistic socialism and communism. It’s such a weird stew of incongruities that it sets one’s head spinning. Social researchers like myself ask, how did these internal conflict come about? And why are not liberals and progressives doing the logical thing and taking full advantage of the inconsistencies of right wing libertarianism by loudly exposing the contradictions?

To understand why the pro-capitalist stance of many modern religious conservatives is at odds with Christian doctrine we need to start with the Gospels.

Jesus is no free marketeer. Improving one’s earthly financial circumstances is not nearly as critical as preparing for the end times that will arrive at any minute. He does offer substantial encouragement for the poor, and warns the wealthy that they are in grave danger of blowing their prospects of reaching paradise, as per the metaphor of a rich person entering heaven being as difficult as a camel passing through the eye of the needle (a narrow passageway designed to hinder intruders). This caution makes sense: sociological research is confirming that the more securely prosperous individuals and societies are, the more likely they are to lose the faith. A basic point of core Christian doctrine is that the wealthy have no more access to heaven than anyone else (and in fact may have less), offering hope to the impoverished rejected by cults that court the elites. This remains true in Catholicism, in which being poor does not constitute evidence of a personal deficiency, and church authorities decry the excesses of unrestrained capital at the expense of social justice.

But to understand just how non-capitalistic Christianity is supposed to be we turn to the first chapter after the gospels, Acts, which describes the events of the early church. Chapters 2 and 4 state that all “the believers were together and had everything in common. Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need… No one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they shared everything they had…. There were no needy persons among them. From time to time those who owned lands or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales and put it at the apostles feet, and it was distributed to anyone as he had need.”

Now folks, that’s outright socialism of the type described millennia later by Marx - who likely got the general idea from the gospels.

The pro-capitalist Christians who are aware of these passages wave them away even though it is the only explicit description of Christian economics in the Bible.

To get just how central collectivism is to Christian canon, consider that the Bible contains the first description of socialism in history. Anti-socialist Christians also claim that the Biblical version was voluntary. Aside from it being obvious that the biblical version of God was not the anti-socialist Christian capitalists commonly proclaim he was, some dark passages in Acts indicate how deeply pro-socialist the New Testament deity is. Chapter 5 details how when a church member fails to turn over all his property to the church “he fell down and died,” when his wife later did the same “she fell down… and died… Great fear seized the whole church and all who heard about these events.”

Dear readers, does this not sound like a form of terror-enforced-communism imposed by a God who thinks that Christians who fail to join the collective are worthy of death? Not only is socialism a Christian invention, so is its extreme communistic variant. The claim by many Christians that Christ hates socialism is untrue, while no explicit description of capitalism is found in the Bible - not surprising because it had not yet evolved.

So how did so much of Christianity come to reject socialism? That is not hard to figure out. In the early Protestant Netherlands, Switzerland and England capital became the dominant economic driver. Of course members of a religion want to think that God approves of what they are up to. So many (but not all) Protestants began to cherry pick those Biblical passages that could be massaged to seemingly support laissez-faire markets while pretty much ignoring those that clearly don’t. This works because, as surveys show, most Christians don’t actually read the bulk of the Bible, and people are mentally skilled at dismissing the awkward passages they do come across. Christians really took the theory that God is pro-capital to its extreme in what has be come the least socialistic and most Jesus-following of the advanced democracies, the USA, where many see the nation as an exceptional, God blessed “Shining City on the Hill” they think stands as the exemplar of Godly capitalism to the world.

In Puritan doctrine only the few destined for heaven can enjoy earthly wealth - that’s why there aren’t many rich folks - and poverty is the widespread sign of being destined for hell. But Puritanism was too dour for most Americans, so the notion that God wants his many followers to become as well-heeled as possible really took off with the emergence of the celebratory, self help oriented evangelical and Pentecostal Prosperity Christianity that the likes of Amy McPherson began to promote at the same time the modern corporate-consumer culture arose after the first world war.

The intellectual foundations for the alliance between capital and God were laid after the second world war by Catholic William Buckley, who, like some others contrived to maneuver around their churches’ skepticism about mercantile interests, worked to convert frugal church goers into materialistic consumers who spend their Sundays watching spectator sports and charging up interest loaded debt at the mall.

Back in the 1800s the non-theist Herbert Spencer adapted the evolutionary science developed by Darwin into what has become known as social Darwinism -- even though the biologist had little interest in socioeconomic issues, as well as a live and let live attitude about religion. It was Spencer who coined the term “survival of the fittest” that Darwin worked into later editions of his biology texts. Many Christians - logically concerned at the threat that a naturalistic explanation of human origins posed for popular belief in a supernatural creator - reacted by blaming harsh Darwinian biology for creating the similarly harsh “Darwinian” socioeconomics that they saw as responsible for the ills of the modern world.

At the same time socialists and communists were adapting those aspects of evolutionary science that they liked (a god-free origin of our world) while rejecting those they did not (the anti-egalitarianism integral to survival of the fittest free markets caused Marx and Engels to denounce evolution as a “bitter satire” on man and nature, and Stalin would ban pre-deterministic genetics for contradicting the blank slate theory of communism). While the communists drove the reasonable concept of social equality into the ground, Ayn Rand did the same with individual liberty. Because she hated the teeniest expression of the socialism, and because the concept was in the archaic Bible long before some non-theists decided it was the wave of the future, she promoted an anti-Christian, pro-evolution atheism so extreme that even most atheists including myself reject her claim to have philosophically absolutely disproved the existence of any god. But many influential conservative Christians have embraced her expressly atheistic theory of Objectivism that in her books such as The Virtue of Selfishness, they propose that government must be shrunk to a bare minimum so socially Darwinist that it dances with anarchy. Only then can entrepreneurial greed have the free run that liberty demands. Hence Rand’s more nobly titled Atlas Shrugged and The Fountainhead are required reading for the staff of Paul Ryan.

Reagan’s economic advisor, Milton Friedman, was an anti-religious Objectivist Rand devotee. So is Alan Greenspan. Skeptics Penn and Teller and Michael Shermer are atheistic libertarians. In the Randian hyper-materialistic world those who are on the financial make are the exalted makers, the impoverished that accept tax payer assistance are parasitic takers who need to fend for themselves. A radical modernist ideology in greater antithesis to the traditional scriptural favoring of the poor over the rich can hardly be imagined. Yet the economics of the plutocratic Republican Party that embraces the Christian, anti-Darwinist creationist right are essentially those of the uberatheist, anti-creationist, Darwin-adoring Christianity-loathing Ayn Rand. So we have Christian creationists like Jay Richards writing books titled Money, Greed, and God: Why Capitalism Is the Solution and Not the Problem. Can a stranger amalgam of opposing opinions be devised?

What I do not get from a sociological perspective is why -- rather than letting the right avoid being called out for decade after decade -- progressives from pious to atheist (most being liberals) as well as the mainstream news media have not been exposing the fascinating incoherence of the right wing’s anti-Darwinian biology, pro-Darwinian economics? Logically Stewart, Maddow, Olbermann, Maher et al. should on a regular basis challenge Christian libertarians on how Palin, Bachmann, Coulter, Beck, Limbaugh, Gingrich et al. can reject as ungodly evil the hard line socialism that is explicitly enforced by their God in the Bible they profess to read and believe? And how can those libertarians who manage to be devout Christians fawn over Ayn Rand whose entire philosophy is a condemnation of Christian doctrine? Also that O’Reilly and Bennett explain how they can continue to be in opposition to their pope who issued the newest encyclical reaffirming the churches opposition to libertarian economics. And ask if a person opposes evolution because it leads to ungodly societal chaos then how can the same person endorse the economics that most closely replicate biological evolution? It does not make practical sense for progressives to fail to use the deep, hypocritical conflicts that mar the right to try to split the movement at its weakest links. The right cannot reply in kind because progressives are less internally conflicted; although liberals too range from devout to atheist they share a secular sense of social tolerance, concur that the gospels are economically progressive, and agree that organisms have evolved over deep time.

In educational terms mainstream press coverage of the issue would be a public service giving the public the information it needs to decide whether or not current conservatism is fatally disingenuous. In a Washington Post column liberal Catholic E. J. Dionne Jr. got things rolling by pointing out that the Rand whose books so many Christian conservatives treat as scripture was a flaming atheist.

It’s a start.

And why are progressives not regularly putting forward the fast growing body of technical research proving that it is the most secular, liberal democracies that are enjoying the overall best socioeconomic circumstances in history, including lower rates of homicide, incarceration, juvenile and adult mortality, STD infections, abortion, teen pregnancy, mental illness, illicit drug use, and so on compared to the more libertarian USA, and superior levels of economic security, upward mobility and education?

And finally, if you don’t like socialism and communism stop blaming atheists and other secularists for concocting egalitarian collectivism backed by fear of death. It got its start long ago in the Good Book.


Gregory Paul is an independent researcher in sociology and evolution. He wrote this article for washingtonpost.com/onfaith.

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Re: socialism a Christian invention

Post by dblboggie on Sat Aug 13, 2011 12:15 am

This is just utter nonsense. The Anabaptists and Zwinglian's also tried the forced institutionalization of the so-called "socialist" preachings in the New Testament and it was shot down as the utter nonsense that it was.

The author here makes mocking reference to the voluntary intent of the socialist passages in the Bible, but in point of fact it was Jesus who said to render unto Caesar that which is Caesar.

Charity is not charity if it is forced at the point of the sword or a gun!

And that is the last word on this that should put this matter to rest once and for all!

What this author is proposing is revisionist history and a deliberate twisting of what is written and intended in the Bible and nothing more.

Socialism and communism existed as a theory of government and economics LONG before Jesus arrived on the scene, and anyone who has endeavored to study ancient history would, of course, know this.

Clearly this author is betting that his audience is ill informed on ancient history so as to make this fiction seem plausible.

I happen to know better.
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Post by Guest on Mon Aug 15, 2011 3:32 pm

dblboggie wrote: This is just utter nonsense. The Anabaptists and Zwinglian's also tried the forced institutionalization of the so-called "socialist" preachings in the New Testament and it was shot down as the utter nonsense that it was..

I think you will find there have been huge battles with the Christian world view over time.. one of the bloodiest battles has been over "did god carry a purse".. such a simple question but in it's answer lay the very right in a church to control it's members.. the bogomil and a vast numbers of other Christian groups, all now burnt of killed.. knew that “god did not carry a purse”


Also the concept that “god did not carry a purse” was made part every religious order.. Every monk, nun and what ever, lived the
“ believers were together and had everything in common. Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need… No one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they shared everything they had”
life.. Battles has never been about the concept of holding property in common but who controlled whom and who chose the controllers..

The German followers of dear old Martin did hold all things in common untill those in power saw they had as much to lose as the Roman church.. Then swords man cut their way back to the idea that property was personal and old Martin recanted to save those in power from losing control … It has never been about the word of GOD, it’s been about power.

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Re: socialism a Christian invention

Post by kronos on Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:03 pm

dblboggie wrote:The author here makes mocking reference to the voluntary intent of the socialist passages in the Bible, but in point of fact it was Jesus who said to render unto Caesar that which is Caesar.

You do have the free will to flout God's law, but you will be judged for it.

dblboggie wrote:Charity is not charity if it is forced at the point of the sword or a gun!

But it is the right thing to do. It is a moral and spiritual imperative. It is God's law.

(According to the Christians.)

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Post by dblboggie on Tue Aug 16, 2011 6:31 pm

kronos wrote:
dblboggie wrote:The author here makes mocking reference to the voluntary intent of the socialist passages in the Bible, but in point of fact it was Jesus who said to render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's.

You do have the free will to flout God's law, but you will be judged for it.

Well, according to the followers of Luther, Calivn, Zwingli and the Anabaptists, one didn't have free will. Remember, one of the reform movements most controversial positions was the concept of predestination. You didn't flout God's law as an expression of your own will, but as a manifestation of God's own plan - free will had nothing to do with it. Snicker

kronos wrote:
dblboggie wrote:Charity is not charity if it is forced at the point of the sword or a gun!

But it is the right thing to do. It is a moral and spiritual imperative. It is God's law.

(According to the Christians.)

Charity - (According to the Christians.) - is the right thing to do. But forced giving is not charity - regardless of the moral or spiritual imperative.
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Post by kronos on Tue Aug 16, 2011 8:22 pm

dblboggie wrote:
kronos wrote:
dblboggie wrote:The author here makes mocking reference to the voluntary intent of the socialist passages in the Bible, but in point of fact it was Jesus who said to render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's.

You do have the free will to flout God's law, but you will be judged for it.

Well, according to the followers of Luther, Calivn, Zwingli and the Anabaptists, one didn't have free will. Remember, one of the reform movements most controversial positions was the concept of predestination. You didn't flout God's law as an expression of your own will, but as a manifestation of God's own plan - free will had nothing to do with it. Snicker

I forgot about them. I don't talk talk to many Calvinists in my day-to-day life (as far as I know).

The Christians I've talked to not only believe in free will, it is essential to their theology. It is the whole justification for God holding us accountable for our sins.

dblboggie wrote:
kronos wrote:
dblboggie wrote:Charity is not charity if it is forced at the point of the sword or a gun!

But it is the right thing to do. It is a moral and spiritual imperative. It is God's law.

(According to the Christians.)

Charity - (According to the Christians.) - is the right thing to do. But forced giving is not charity - regardless of the moral or spiritual imperative.

I basically agree. Jesus wasn't preaching governmental resdistribution of wealth, any more than he was preaching laissez faire capitalism. His concern was God's law and man's relationship with God, not the policies of man's earthly government.

But given the emphasis on compassion, sharing and egalitarianism we see in Jesus' teachings, and the contempt for wealth, and the lack of an emphasis on individual liberty, I think the moral impulse behind Christianity is closer to that of socialism than capitalism.

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Post by dblboggie on Tue Aug 16, 2011 9:27 pm

kronos wrote:
dblboggie wrote:
kronos wrote:
dblboggie wrote:The author here makes mocking reference to the voluntary intent of the socialist passages in the Bible, but in point of fact it was Jesus who said to render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's.

You do have the free will to flout God's law, but you will be judged for it.

Well, according to the followers of Luther, Calivn, Zwingli and the Anabaptists, one didn't have free will. Remember, one of the reform movements most controversial positions was the concept of predestination. You didn't flout God's law as an expression of your own will, but as a manifestation of God's own plan - free will had nothing to do with it. Snicker

I forgot about them. I don't talk talk to many Calvinists in my day-to-day life (as far as I know).

The Christians I've talked to not only believe in free will, it is essential to their theology. It is the whole justification for God holding us accountable for our sins.

Exactly! And believe me, Luther, Calvin and Zwingli ran into a shitstorm of controversy with the Catholic Church and the humanists (such as Erasmus - who was trying to bring the two sides to an understanding) over this predestination thing.

If I am not mistaken, the concept of predestination has pretty much died out amongst the Protestant religions.

kronos wrote:
dblboggie wrote:
kronos wrote:
dblboggie wrote:Charity is not charity if it is forced at the point of the sword or a gun!

But it is the right thing to do. It is a moral and spiritual imperative. It is God's law.

(According to the Christians.)

Charity - (According to the Christians.) - is the right thing to do. But forced giving is not charity - regardless of the moral or spiritual imperative.

I basically agree. Jesus wasn't preaching governmental resdistribution of wealth, any more than he was preaching laissez faire capitalism. His concern was God's law and man's relationship with God, not the policies of man's earthly government.

But given the emphasis on compassion, sharing and egalitarianism we see in Jesus' teachings, and the contempt for wealth, and the lack of an emphasis on individual liberty, I think the moral impulse behind Christianity is closer to that of socialism than capitalism.

Actually, Jesus' teachings were all about the next life - the life in "heaven" (as it were). Jesus' teachings were not so much about what we do in this world and much more about how we move successfully into the next.

One thing the reformists got sort of right (with respect to scripture (according to the Christians)) is that worldly deeds have no impact or relevance as to who goes to heaven. Heaven was reserved to those who professed a belief that Christ was the son of God who died for our sins (and early on, who was predestined to advance to heaven). According to the reformists (and this really pissed off the Catholic Church) it mattered not what one did in this life - hell, Luther as much as encouraged sinning to some degree - it only mattered that one submit to the belief that Christ was the only redeemer, the only way to heaven.

Jesus was all about the next world and not this one. The idea that he would approve of a socialist system of government over a capitalist one is pure fiction. Jesus cared for nothing of this world - it was all immaterial. This was the view of the reformists as well.

Naturally, the Catholic Church, which made a great sum of money selling indulgences and putting their clergy between their parishioners and heaven, objected to this very liberal view of Christianity.

But in the end, this whole "Bible approves of socialism over capitalism" thing is just nonsense.
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Post by Guest on Wed Nov 30, 2011 3:32 pm

It's true...Christ was a liberal and believed in human socialism...corporate socialism of the right, not so much.

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Post by Arx Ferrum on Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:50 pm

Cookie Parker wrote:It's true...Christ was a liberal and believed in human socialism...corporate socialism of the right, not so much.

Curious how so many people make claims of the absolute when talking about Christ when, in fact, there's no one alive today who was actually alive then to know the guy in the first person. The New testament has less regarding the person than do the Gnostics but, so far as I can tell, nothing about Capitalism or Socialism.

But hey, if you wanna believe Jesus was a Socialist? Have at it. That's the beauty of faith; proof isn't required Very Happy
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Post by TexasBlue on Wed Nov 30, 2011 8:05 pm

This is why I stay away (far away) from religious debate.


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Post by Arx Ferrum on Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:14 pm

TexasBlue wrote:This is why I stay away (far away) from religious debate.

Religion is hard to debate because it is based on the faith of the individual... meaning that the only way to organize faith into religion is by creating a rigid definition of the meanings and intentions. This tends to create divisions between people where none were ever intended.


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Post by TexasBlue on Thu Dec 01, 2011 3:29 pm

My reason is that I'm not religious. I believe in God (or a higher power if you like). I just don't practice it. I'm not atheist nor agnostic. I guess you could say I'm in the middle on this issue. Therefore, I have no opinion for the most part.


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Post by TheNextPrez2012 on Fri Mar 30, 2012 6:58 pm

From Jay Leno's Jaywalking

Leno: Who said "the meek shall inherit the earth?"

Kid: Sounds like some socialist

Leno: Some socialist? Who said it? Do you have any idea?

Kid: Probably...Barack Obama

Leno: Close! It was Jesus

Kid: Really? I'm Jewish so...
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