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Post by The_Amber_Spyglass on Thu Sep 16, 2010 10:28 am

But hey, when you are infallible and have an exclusive hotline to your god, why let facts get in the way of pedalling bullshit?

Your Majesty,

Thank you for your gracious invitation to make an official visit to the United Kingdom and for your warm words of greeting on behalf of the British people. In thanking Your Majesty, allow me to extend my own greetings to all the people of the United Kingdom and to hold out a hand of friendship to each one.

It is a great pleasure for me to start my journey by saluting the members of the Royal Family, thanking in particular His Royal Highness the Duke of Edinburgh for his kind welcome to me at Edinburgh Airport. I express my gratitude to Your Majesty’s present and previous Governments and to all those who worked with them to make this occasion possible, including Lord Patten and former Secretary of State Murphy. I would also like to acknowledge with deep appreciation the work of the All-Party Parliamentary Group on the Holy See, which has contributed greatly to strengthening the friendly relations existing between the Holy See and the United Kingdom.

As I begin my visit to the United Kingdom in Scotland’s historic capital city, I greet in a special way First Minister Salmond and the representatives of the Scottish Parliament. Just like the Welsh and Northern Ireland Assemblies, may the Scottish Parliament grow to be an expression of the fine traditions and distinct culture of the Scots and strive to serve their best interests in a spirit of solidarity and concern for the common good.

The name of Holyroodhouse, Your Majesty’s official residence in Scotland, recalls the “Holy Cross” and points to the deep Christian roots that are still present in every layer of British life. The monarchs of England and Scotland have been Christians from very early times and include outstanding saints like Edward the Confessor and Margaret of Scotland. As you know, many of them consciously exercised their sovereign duty in the light of the Gospel, and in this way shaped the nation for good at the deepest level. As a result, the Christian message has been an integral part of the language, thought and culture of the peoples of these islands for more than a thousand years. Your forefathers’ respect for truth and justice, for mercy and charity come to you from a faith that remains a mighty force for good in your kingdom, to the great benefit of Christians and non-Christians alike.

We find many examples of this force for good throughout Britain’s long history. Even in comparatively recent times, due to figures like William Wilberforce and David Livingstone, Britain intervened directly to stop the international slave trade. Inspired by faith, women like Florence Nightingale served the poor and the sick and set new standards in healthcare that were subsequently copied everywhere. John Henry Newman, whose beatification I will celebrate shortly, was one of many British Christians of his age whose goodness, eloquence and action were a credit to their countrymen and women. These, and many people like them, were inspired by a deep faith born and nurtured in these islands.

Even in our own lifetime, we can recall how Britain and her leaders stood against a Nazi tyranny that wished to eradicate God from society and denied our common humanity to many, especially the Jews, who were thought unfit to live. I also recall the regime’s attitude to Christian pastors and religious who spoke the truth in love, opposed the Nazis and paid for that opposition with their lives. As we reflect on the sobering lessons of the atheist extremism of the twentieth century, let us never forget how the exclusion of God, religion and virtue from public life leads ultimately to a truncated vision of man and of society and thus to a “reductive vision of the person and his destiny” (Caritas in Veritate, 29).

Sixty-five years ago, Britain played an essential role in forging the post-war international consensus which favoured the establishment of the United Nations and ushered in a hitherto unknown period of peace and prosperity in Europe. In more recent years, the international community has followed closely events in Northern Ireland which have led to the signing of the Good Friday Agreement and the devolution of powers to the Northern Ireland Assembly. Your Majesty’s Government and the Government of Ireland, together with the political, religious and civil leaders of Northern Ireland, have helped give birth to a peaceful resolution of the conflict there. I encourage everyone involved to continue to walk courageously together on the path marked out for them towards a just and lasting peace.

Looking abroad, the United Kingdom remains a key figure politically and economically on the international stage. Your Government and people are the shapers of ideas that still have an impact far beyond the British Isles. This places upon them a particular duty to act wisely for the common good. Similarly, because their opinions reach such a wide audience, the British media have a graver responsibility than most and a greater opportunity to promote the peace of nations, the integral development of peoples and the spread of authentic human rights. May all Britons continue to live by the values of honesty, respect and fair-mindedness that have won them the esteem and admiration of many.

Today, the United Kingdom strives to be a modern and multicultural society. In this challenging enterprise, may it always maintain its respect for those traditional values and cultural expressions that more aggressive forms of secularism no longer value or even tolerate. Let it not obscure the Christian foundation that underpins its freedoms; and may that patrimony, which has always served the nation well, constantly inform the example your Government and people set before the two billion members of the Commonwealth and the great family of English-speaking nations throughout the world.

May God bless Your Majesty and all the people of your realm. Thank you.

You couldn't make it up, could you? Let's take a look at the strident atheism of Adolf Hitler:

Adolf Hitler wrote:The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word be desecrated. For God's will gave men their form, their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will.

Adolf Hitler wrote:I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.

Adolf Hitler wrote:Even today I am not ashamed to say that, overpowered by stormy enthusiasm, I fell down on my knees and thanked Heaven from an overflowing heart for granting me the good fortune of being permitted to live at this time.

Adolf Hitler wrote:I had so often sung 'Deutschland über Alles' and shouted 'Heil' at the top of my lungs, that it seemed to me almost a belated act of grace to be allowed to stand as a witness in the divine court of the eternal judge and proclaim the sincerity of this conviction.

Adolf Hitler wrote:Once again the songs of the fatherland roared to the heavens along the endless marching columns, and for the last time the Lord's grace smiled on His ungrateful children.

Adolf Hitler wrote:What we have to fight for is the necessary security for the existence and increase of our race and people, the subsistence of its children and the maintenance of our racial stock unmixed, the freedom and independence of the Fatherland; so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission assigned to it by the Creator.

Adolf Hitler wrote:In short, the results of miscegenation are always the following: (a) The level of the superior race becomes lowered; (b) physical and mental degeneration sets in, thus leading slowly but steadily towards a progressive drying up of the vital sap. The act which brings about such a development is a sin against the will of the Eternal Creator. And as a sin this act will be avenged.

Adolf Hitler wrote:Anyone who dares to lay hands on the highest image of the Lord commits sacrilege against the benevolent creator of this miracle and contributes to the expulsion from paradise.

Adolf Hitler wrote:Thus inwardly armed with confidence in God and the unshakable stupidity of the voting citizenry, the politicians can begin the fight for the 'remaking' of the Reich as they call it.

Adolf Hitler wrote:It may be that today gold has become the exclusive ruler of life, but the time will come when man will again bow down before a higher god.

Adolf Hitler wrote:To do justice to God and our own conscience, we have turned once more to the German Volk.

Adolf Hitler wrote:The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word be desecrated. For God's will gave men their form, their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will.

Adolf Hitler wrote:I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord's work.

Adolf Hitler wrote:The Catholic Church should not deceive herself: if National Socialism does not succeed in defeating Bolshevism, then Church and Christianity in Europe too are finished. Bolshevism is the mortal enemy of the Church as much as of Fascism. ...Man cannot exist without belief in God. The soldier who for three and four days lies under intense bombardment needs a religious prop.

This last one is in a meeting with Catholic dignitaries about a need to destroy Communism.
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Re: Pope - who was himself in the Hitler Youth - rewrites history

Post by TexasBlue on Thu Sep 16, 2010 5:41 pm

In all fairness to Ratzinger, he was 15 and drafted into the HY. Under that regime, one didn't have much of a choice.


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Post by The_Amber_Spyglass on Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:44 am

And no doubt would have been force-fed Mein Kampf so should have known better.

But hey when you are infallible, why let FACTS get in the way of a good straw man?
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Post by TexasBlue on Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:51 am

Do you really believe that? I'm not defending the Pope for many of his written missteps, but c'mon. In those days in Germany, there was no choice. Fifteen years old, fer crissakes. You gotta take those into the equation.


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Post by The_Amber_Spyglass on Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:55 am

Whether he had a choice or not, because he was in Hitler Youth he should be fully aware of the contents of Mein Kampf and Hitler's repeated use of appealing to doing God's work, the fact that he banned atheist groups and book an evolution so why accuse "militant secularism" for Hitler believing he was on a mission from God?



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Post by TexasBlue on Fri Sep 17, 2010 11:04 am

You make an interesting point. But i still look at it from a kid's point of view. I think of my uncle's kid here where i live. He's 15. I try to imagine the naivety of children at that age.


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Post by dblboggie on Fri Sep 17, 2010 4:35 pm

The_Amber_Spyglass wrote:Whether he had a choice or not, because he was in Hitler Youth he should be fully aware of the contents of Mein Kampf and Hitler's repeated use of appealing to doing God's work so why accuse "militant secularism" for Hitler believing he was on a mission from God?


Well, to be completely fair, just because he was in the Hitler Youth movement doesn't mean that would have made him "fully aware of the contents of Mein Kampf" or even Hitler's repeated references to doing "God's work." He was a child after all.

However, having said that, he is now an adult, and the highest ranking member of the Catholic Church. He has a responsibility to know his history better than this. He has people working for him and helping him with these speeches who should also know better. If you are going to claim that Hitler was out to destroy the Church and religion, you really should have something that Hitler said that was contradictory to his many references to "doing God's work" and exposed them as a mere ruse. However, I cannot recall anything that he said that would qualify in this regard.

Clearly this is a blatant attempt at revisionist history - what we regular people call a lie.
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Post by BubbleBliss on Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:00 am

TexasBlue wrote:In all fairness to Ratzinger, he was 15 and drafted into the HY. Under that regime, one didn't have much of a choice.

The Hitler Youth was just like the Boyscouts at that time.
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