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Post by TexasBlue on Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:00 pm

5 Reasons Illegal Immigrants Shouldn't Be Given American Citizenship

John Hawkins
Tuesday, February 23, 2010


Over the last few months most conservatives have quite naturally been distracted by Barack Obama's frightening incompetence, his elephantine spending, and his zealous attempts to swallow as much of the private sector as the government beast can stuff down its gaping maw. But while the cat's away, the mice will play. The little feet you may have been hearing pitter-patter back into the public square? They belong to advocates of amnesty for illegal aliens. Oh, they don't necessarily call it that. They call it comprehensive immigration reform, earned legalization, a path to citizenship -- but, it all amounts to the same thing: rewarding people for breaking our laws.

On behalf of the overwhelming majority of the conservative movement and the American people, let me say, "Not just ‘no,’ but ‘Hell, no’" to giving illegal immigrants American citizenship.

Now, I know what the response to this will be: "You must hate Hispanics!" Actually, it doesn't matter where the illegals are from; they're not welcome here. But, but, but...it'll help the GOP with Hispanics to support amnesty! Tell that to John McCain, who bombed with Hispanics despite being the Republican most associated with amnesty. Well, then you must not want any immigrants in this country! What a despicable argument. Comparing an illegal alien to someone who loves and respects this country enough to come here the right way is like comparing a burglar to an adopted son.

Let me tell you exactly why illegal immigrants shouldn't be given American citizenship.

1) It will only encourage more illegal immigrants to come here. We've already had a "one time only" amnesty deal for illegals. It occurred during the Reagan Administration and the idea was supposed to be that we'd allow the illegals who were here to become citizens and we'd simultaneously beef up security to try to keep the problem from occurring again. Well, guess what? That very bipartisan sounding compromise didn't work. To the contrary, it failed miserably. So why in the world would anyone who actually wants to stop illegal immigration want to try something that has already been proven to be counterproductive? We have far more illegals in America today than we did when the "one time" amnesty went through. Do we want 20 million illegals here when the next amnesty goes through? 30 million? Are we going to be accused of racism if we say the next huge wave of illegals shouldn't be given citizenship either? Where does it end?

2) Illegal aliens take jobs from American citizens. The economy stinks. American citizens are out of work. People are going out every day looking for jobs to support their family and they're coming home empty handed. Meanwhile, there are illegal aliens in this country holding jobs that American citizens would otherwise have. "Oh, but those are jobs Americans won't do!" There's no such thing. There's no job in this country that couldn't be filled if every illegal disappeared tomorrow -- but, here's the catch: the crooked business owners who are knowingly hiring the illegals might have to pay what the job is worth instead of hiring people who let everyone else pay their health care, pay their car insurance, and pay their share of the taxes.

3) We're importing poverty. It's no secret that the majority of illegals are uneducated manual laborers. In fact, that's supposed to be one of their selling points, isn't it? Don't advocates of amnesty say we need illegals to do the dirty, hard, manual labor that "Americans won't do?" But even if that were true, which it’s not, people with very limited skills often turn into liabilities for a society as they age. There aren't a lot of people picking oranges and scrubbing floors at fifty years old. In other words, in order to help crooked business owners get cheap labor today, the rest of society has to be burdened with people who are going to cost society far more than they ever pay in taxes. Are American taxpayers so unburdened that we want to actually bring in even more people to carry on their backs?

4) It rewards bad behavior. It's against the law to enter this country illegally. It's against the law to buy fake documents or steal someone's social security number. It's against the law not to pay your taxes. So after all of that, we're going to give people citizenship? What message does that send to all the immigrants filling out reams of paperwork, paying out significant chunks of their paychecks, and waiting for years in their home countries to finally achieve their dream of becoming an American citizen? Here's the message it sends: You're a chump! This is something you don't normally have to say to people north of five years old, but it's not smart to reward bad behavior and punish good behavior.

5) It cheapens and demeans our country. Is this Cuba? Is this Afghanistan? Is this Rwanda? Are we such a garbage dump of a nation that we have to desperately give citizenship to anybody and everybody we can find? Newsflash: This is the greatest nation God has seen fit to raise up in the history of mankind. We can not only have the cream of the crop from other nations; we can ask them to wait in line, obey our laws, and prove themselves -- and the ones worth having will do it because this is the place people all over the world dream of coming one day. American citizenship is a precious thing and it shouldn't be given to people whose first act upon American soil was to violate our laws.
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Post by The_Amber_Spyglass on Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:09 am

I think there is only one why reason illegal immigrants shouldn't be given citizenship of any country and the clue is in the title.... ILLEGAL immigrants.
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Post by TexasBlue on Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:17 am

The_Amber_Spyglass wrote:I think there is only one why reason illegal immigrants shouldn't be given citizenship of any country and the clue is in the title.... ILLEGAL immigrants.

Right on! That's always a key word for me when debating this subject. Opponents try to paint the anti-illegal supporters as racist. I for one am not a racist. I don't have a problem with legal immigrants.
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Post by BubbleBliss on Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:22 pm

TexasBlue wrote:5 Reasons Illegal Immigrants Shouldn't Be Given American Citizenship

Is this Cuba? Is this Afghanistan? Is this Rwanda? Are we such a garbage dump of a nation that we have to desperately give citizenship to anybody and everybody we can find? Newsflash: This is the greatest nation God has seen fit to raise up in the history of mankind. We can not only have the cream of the crop from other nations; we can ask them to wait in line, obey our laws, and prove themselves -- and the ones worth having will do it because this is the place people all over the world dream of coming one day. American citizenship is a precious thing and it shouldn't be given to people whose first act upon American soil was to violate our laws.

I find this to be a laughable argument that is not only offensive to citizens of those nations but also irrelevant.

I've said this before. It's true that illegal immigrants take away jobs that Americans could potentially take up, but the truth is that most people would rather not do those jobs and live comfortably off of welfare. These illegal immigrants do not get any kind of government help, so they break their back for a couple hundred dollars a week. Any American citizen could live more comfortably sitting at home and living off of the gov't.

Plus, the jobs that are currently held by illegals contribute to the low prices. Fast food value menus, cheap meat, etc. all comes from the fact that these industries employ people who don't have any kind of permission to ask for minimum wage or sue in case they get hurt on the job.

I do believe that a guest worker program would help the US economy out, especially since it has already seen so many jobs go to Mexico. Believe me, if it was cheaper for the meat industry to move across the Mexican border, they would do so in a heart beat.
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Post by TexasBlue on Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:07 am

You can make all the arguments/excuses about illegals but the underlying point is that they broke federal law. Tons of people are waiting in line for legality/citizenship.

It's a slap in the face of those who do it the right (legal) way. The costs that illegal incur on our society pale in comparison to the "cheap" prices we pay at the store.
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Post by BubbleBliss on Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:54 pm

TexasBlue wrote:You can make all the arguments/excuses about illegals but the underlying point is that they broke federal law. Tons of people are waiting in line for legality/citizenship.

It's a slap in the face of those who do it the right (legal) way. The costs that illegal incur on our society pale in comparison to the "cheap" prices we pay at the store.

I used to be in that line, until I got a secure spot at a University in Germany. That line is a bitch, lemme tell you! I can't imagine what it's like to be here and then having to go back after 5 years to your poor living conditions. At least I'm going back voluntarily and to good living conditions. :flower:

Yeah, well people tend to look at costs that they pay out of pocket and tax money differently. As long as they don't have to pay more taxes, it's all good. But if they have to pay more at the Drive Thru or the grocery store, that'll open some eyes and raise some eyebrows.
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Post by Guest on Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:13 pm

TexasBlue wrote:

but, here's the catch: the crooked business owners who are knowingly hiring the illegals might have to pay what the job is worth instead of hiring people who let everyone else pay their health care, pay their car insurance, and pay their share of the taxes.

That wraps it up for me. You should never blame the immigrants for looking to improve their lot; the fault lies with the business-owners who are able to get away with undermining the labour market.

That said in a place like Britain there are a number of cases where immigrants have been required to make up for a genuine skills shortage in a particular industry. And it's not as if every immigrant is being paid an illegal wage: some native-born British people have simply not been willing to do certain types of jobs, and in many cases have been incentivised to stay out of the labour market and receive government handouts instead.


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The_Amber_Spyglass wrote:I think there is only one
why reason illegal immigrants shouldn't be given citizenship of any
country and the clue is in the title.... ILLEGAL immigrants.

Right
on! That's always a key word for me when debating this subject.
Opponents try to paint the anti-illegal supporters as racist. I for one
am not a racist. I don't have a problem with legal immigrants.

I agree with that, but I am conversely offended by the term 'illegals' as a substitute for 'illegal immigrants'. An acceptable shorthand maybe, but when I hear it used repeatedly from outlets like FNC I feel that it encourages the objectification and dehumanization of illegal immigrants.

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Post by The_Amber_Spyglass on Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:18 pm

Like "the AGW crowd" 5 Reasons Illegal Immigrants Shouldn't Be Given American Citizenship Lol
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Post by TexasBlue on Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:18 pm

Illegals cost us in more ways than people realize. Taxpayers pay to provide welfare, free medical care, prison cells and to educate the invaders numerous children. Then there's the document fraud. I see that weekly here where i'm at. I see the court blotter that shows who tried to 'illegally obtain assistance'.... ie; welfare, food stamps, etc.

It's the fault of the gov'ts of the U.S. and Mexico. Then there's the employer.
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Post by The_Amber_Spyglass on Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:22 pm

thefoxontherocks wrote:some native-born British people have simply not been willing to do
certain types of jobs, and in many cases have been incentivised to stay
out of the labour market and receive government handouts instead.
I'm getting the opposite problem "Why the hell do you want to work for us?!"
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Post by TexasBlue on Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:33 pm

thefoxontherocks wrote:That wraps it up for me. You should never blame the immigrants for looking to improve their lot; the fault lies with the business-owners who are able to get away with undermining the labour market.

I blamew the gov't first - because they're respnsible for protecting the border. Then i blame the employer because they shortchange these people so they can make a better profit. Then i blame the illegals themselves - not for coming here - but for the problems some of them cause.

thefoxontherocks wrote:That said in a place like Britain there are a number of cases where immigrants have been required to make up for a genuine skills shortage in a particular industry. And it's not as if every immigrant is being paid an illegal wage: some native-born British people have simply not been willing to do certain types of jobs, and in many cases have been incentivised to stay out of the labour market and receive government handouts instead.

Most Americans aren't against immigrant labor here. We've always had immigrant labor. Most are against the illegal status of many.

thefoxontherocks wrote:I agree with that, but I am conversely offended by the term 'illegals' as a substitute for 'illegal immigrants'. An acceptable shorthand maybe, but when I hear it used repeatedly from outlets like FNC I feel that it encourages the objectification and dehumanization of illegal immigrants.

Illegals is short-hand for me personally. It means the same as illegal immigrant obviously. Some like to refer to them as invaders and other non-PC terms. What i hate is when officials refer to them as undocumented immigrants. That's PC!
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Post by TexasBlue on Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:42 pm

The_Amber_Spyglass wrote:I'm getting the opposite problem "Why the hell do you want to work for us?!"

All i get is laughter. They say, "Job? You want a job? Bwah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!" 5 Reasons Illegal Immigrants Shouldn't Be Given American Citizenship 554620
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Post by The_Amber_Spyglass on Fri Feb 26, 2010 4:04 pm

Oh, there's plenty of jobs around here and I'm experienced to do admin work. Problem is, my qualifications means that I don't even get a response half the time and when I do get to interview they ask that question.

I wish I could be honest and say "I desperately need work. I'm bored with unemployment. And you're right, as soon as I get offered a relevant graduate job I will be off like a shot but while I'm here you get my diligent hard work and 10 years admin experience."

But they don't want that 5 Reasons Illegal Immigrants Shouldn't Be Given American Citizenship Kopfschuettel
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Post by TexasBlue on Fri Feb 26, 2010 4:07 pm

Wait till you get in your late 40's like me. They prefer the younger folks even though we have a federal law against age discrimination. It's hard to prove one was discriminated against in that regard.
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Post by The_Amber_Spyglass on Fri Feb 26, 2010 4:30 pm

Employers are doing themselves a dis-service by having such a narrow view of what they want. They shoot themselves in the foot and can't understand why they find it so hard finding the right person/people. Seriously, when they are so restrictive, what the hell do they expect?

It should be illegal to discriminate on grounds of being overqualified too. Job Centre staff must think I'm not trying and be under the impression that I shouldn't have an issue getting a job. I don't think they live on the same planet as the rest of us.
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Post by TexasBlue on Fri Feb 26, 2010 4:35 pm

Yeah, right. It's amazing how employers can be so fickle. Even though i'm older, i have more "life" experience than someone 20 years younger.
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