Sarah Palin thoughts

by TheNextPrez2012 Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:20 am

I don't know if this is political but it's a political person so...

I feel Sarah is not treated fairly by the media.
Does she come off as sounding not very presidential? Sure. But that's probably due to her background. I mean apart from avoiding bears and moose, it's much easier in Alaska than it is in places like NYC or L.A. (her "you betcha!" philosophy is rural, backwoods Alaskan jargon and that doesn't sit well with folks from the big cities)

Is she qualified for being president? Well, by the constitution she is eligible. She's old enough, she's been here long enough and she was born in this country. She does have more leadership experience than a certain community organizer I can mention...
I don't support her because she's a politician (and we know what they are like no matter what side of the aisle) but she does get a bad take

by **TexasBlue** Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:40 am

Personally, I'm not sold on her. I'll reserve judgment on that for 2012 election cycle. She hasn't hinted on running yet. I don't know if she's electable.

Has she been treated unfairly? Damn skippy she has.

Here comes the flames against her........

by dblboggie Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:52 pm

There is no question that Sarah Palin has been treated unfairly by the mainstream media. She made no more gaffs than your typical politician on the campaign trail, and actually made fewer and less significant ones that Obama made (57 states anyone?).

The fact is, she does have more executive experience that Obama by a long shot, but because she was a conservative Republican who was enormously popular with the rank and file conservative Republican electorate and proved extremely successful in energizing that electorate, it was a given that she would be savaged by the mainstream media. You can always tell who the Democrats are most frightened of by the level of hateful and/or derisive rhetoric emanating from the mainstream media against them.

Now the sad truth is that far too many people still get their news and information from the mainstream media today. And this puts a real conservative at a distinct disadvantage in any national race.

Sure, the new media outlets have grown significantly over the last decade and more and more people are figuring out that the mainstream media have long ago abandoned any pretense at objectivity. The burning question is, are there enough of those people to make a difference?

Personally, I don't think she's knowledgeable enough on a number of fronts, particularly in economics, to reassure me that she would make a good Presidential candidate. That and the fact that she supported McCain in his reelection bid for Senator of Arizona put her in the questionable category for me.

by The_Amber_Spyglass Tue Nov 16, 2010 1:01 pm

For me Sarah Palin represents everything that is wrong with the right wing: ignorant and proud, blinded by her faith, she is anti-science (fruitflies anyone?), anti-evolution, a climate change denialist and has no concern for environmental or conservation issues. This is a woman that is actively praying for the end of the world. Would you trust such a woman with access to the world's largest nuclear arsenal?

If the Republicans choose her as a leader it will be a cowardly kneejerk reaction. I also wouldn't relish having to choose between Obama for a second term or Palin.

by i_luv_miley Tue Nov 16, 2010 2:12 pm

Sarah Palin is to politics what MTV is to television.

Paris Hilton is more qualified to be President. Whistle

by dblboggie Tue Nov 16, 2010 2:33 pm

See what I mean? Scary rhetoric with no basis in facts, a chanting of the left's talking points on her, and simplistic insults all designed to demonize and ridicule and make less of the target.

And people say that I rag on Obama unjustifiably and that my rhetoric is over the top. But Obama has a congressional record we can examine, he has a history of relationships that points to his mindset, we have him on video espousing a total government takeover of health insurance (single payer) and on audio saying that he would bankrupt the coal industry and the power-plants that use coal, and then there are the self-declared socialists and radicals in his own White House, and selected and appointed by Obama.

And Sarah Palin is worse how?

ROFL

by The_Amber_Spyglass Tue Nov 16, 2010 2:53 pm

dblboggie wrote:See what I mean? Scary rhetoric with no basis in facts,

Reminds me of someone else. "Obama is a Marxist", "Obama hates America", "Climate change is a scam designed to take away American freedoms". Snicker

by i_luv_miley Tue Nov 16, 2010 2:58 pm

dblboggie wrote:See what I mean? Scary rhetoric with no basis in facts, a chanting of the left's talking points on her, and simplistic insults all designed to demonize and ridicule and make less of the target.

And people say that I rag on Obama unjustifiably and that my rhetoric is over the top. But Obama has a congressional record we can examine, he has a history of relationships that points to his mindset, we have him on video espousing a total government takeover of health insurance (single payer) and on audio saying that he would bankrupt the coal industry and the power-plants that use coal, and then there are the self-declared socialists and radicals in his own White House, and selected and appointed by Obama.

And Sarah Palin is worse how?

Get real. I'm certainly not demonizing her. I'm stating fact. The woman is just plain stupid. Sure, she may say things that "connect" with people. But she knows nothing about politics or how the real world works. She's nothing more than a celebrity. Furthermore, her rhetoric is dangerous.

And stay on topic dblboggie. This thread is about Palin not Obama.

by **TexasBlue** Tue Nov 16, 2010 3:09 pm

dblboggie wrote:You can always tell who the Democrats are most frightened of by the level of hateful and/or derisive rhetoric emanating from the mainstream media against them.

Christine O'Donnell. Another one. This was a woman running for a US Senate seat that was the focus of the media for weeks on end. Why? Woman. Conservative. Tea Party lady. Foxy babe.

But a US Senate seat and she became a national name within a day of getting the nomination.

by **TexasBlue** Tue Nov 16, 2010 3:12 pm

Well Matt, put your money where your mouth is and throw out the evidence on Palin. I have already busted the myth of the "see Russia from my house" line. Turns out that was a fabrication by the left.

by **TexasBlue** Tue Nov 16, 2010 3:23 pm

The bogus Sarah Palin Banned Books List

Michelle Malkin
September 6, 2008

Palin Derangement Syndrome strikes again. This time it’s hysterical librarians and their readers on the Internet disseminating a bogus list of books Gov. Sarah Palin supposedly banned in 1996. Looks like some of these library people failed reading comprehension. Take a look at the list below and you’ll find books Gov. Palin supposedly tried to ban…that hadn’t even been published yet. Example: The Harry Potter books, the first of which wasn’t published until 1998.

The smear merchants who continue to circulate the list also failed to do a simple Google search, which would have showed them that the bogus Sarah Palin Banned Book List is almost an exact copy-and-paste reproduction of a generic list of “Books Banned at One Time or Another in the United States” that has been floating around the Internet for years. STACLU notes that the official Obama campaign website is also perpetuating the fraud. And it’s spread to craigslist, where some unhinged user is posting images likening Palin to Hitler. Here it is again.

The person who first spread the Palin smear is identified as “Andrew Aucoin,” a commenter on the blog of librarian Jessamyn West. West has done the right thing in keeping the bogus comment up and pointing out in her main post that “there appears to be no truth to the claim made by the commenter, and no further documentation or support for this has turned up.”

It’s a fake. Not true. Total B.S. A lie.

If it gets sent to you by a moonbat friend or family member, set ‘em all straight. Fight the smears. They’ve only just begun.

The bogus Sarah Palin Banned Books List:

This is the list of books Palin tried to have banned. As many of you will notice it is a hit parade for book burners.A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L’Engle
Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
Blubber by Judy Blume
Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
Canterbury Tales by Chaucer
Carrie by Stephen King
Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
Christine by Stephen King
Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Cujo by Stephen King
Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
Daddy’s Roommate by Michael Willhoite
Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
Decameron by Boccaccio
East of Eden by John Steinbeck
Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John Cleland
Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
Forever by Judy Blume
Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
Have to Go by Robert Munsch
Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
Impressions edited by Jack Booth
In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
It’s Okay if You Don’t Love Me by Norma Klein
James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
Lady Chatterley’s Lover by D.H. Lawrence
Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
Lord of the Flies by William Golding
Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
Lysistrata by Aristophanes
More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and Christopher Collier
My House by Nikki Giovanni
My Friend Flicka by Mary O’Hara
Night Chills by Dean Koontz
Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander Solzhenitsyn
One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest by Ken Kesey
One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
Ordinary People by Judith Guest
Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women’s Health Collective
Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin Schwartz
Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
Separate Peace by John Knowles
Silas Marner by George Eliot
Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
The Bastard by John Jakes
The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
The Color Purple by Alice Walker
The Devil’s Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
The Handmaid’s Tale by Margaret Atwood
The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
The Living Bible by William C. Bower
The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles Wibbelsman
The Pigman by Paul Zindel
The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
The Shining by Stephen King
The Witches by Roald Dahl
The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
Then Again, Maybe I Won’t by Judy Blume
To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
Webster’s Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the Merriam-Webster Editorial Staff
Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the Halloween Symbols by Edna Barth

***From the Anchorage Daily News story that inflamed P.D.S.:

Back in 1996, when she first became mayor, Sarah Palin asked the city librarian if she would be all right with censoring library books should she be asked to do so.According to news coverage at the time, the librarian said she would definitely not be all right with it. A few months later, the librarian, Mary Ellen Emmons, got a letter from Palin telling her she was going to be fired. The censorship issue was not mentioned as a reason for the firing. The letter just said the new mayor felt Emmons didn’t fully support her and had to go.Emmons had been city librarian for seven years and was well liked. After a wave of public support for her, Palin relented and let Emmons keep her job.It all happened 12 years ago and the controversy long ago disappeared into musty files. Until this week. Under intense national scrutiny, the issue has returned to dog her. It has been mentioned in news stories in Time Magazine and The New York Times and is spreading like a virus through the blogosphere.The stories are all suggestive, but facts are hard to come by. Did Palin actually ban books at the Wasilla Public Library? …Were any books censored banned? June Pinell-Stephens, chairwoman of the Alaska Library Association’s Intellectual Freedom Committee since 1984, checked her files Wednesday and came up empty-handed.Pinell-Stephens also had no record of any phone conversations with Emmons about the issue back then. Emmons was president of the Alaska Library Association at the time.

***Reader Martin: “If you read the Anchorage Daily News article, towards the bottom, you find that Palin requested the resignations not only of the librarian, but of several other township officials. Why? Because they were political appointees who openly supported her political opponent. Palin requested the resignations a few days BEFORE she assumed office, apparently for political reasons, as would be routine in ALL such situations, including in the very small town of Washington, DC. [Didn’t some no-name politician fire all of the US Attorneys?] Frankly, it’s far more remarkable (and shows a great deal of tolerance) for Palin to have KEPT Emmons in office. And you’d think people would consider the source when Emmons claims Palin wanted to ban books.”

STACLU: “What the hell will they just make up next?”

Answer: A bogus tale of an affair. Debunked at Hot Air.

****
Added Link: http://mikecane2008.wordpress.com/2008/09/03/stop-sarah-palin-the-books-she-wanted-banned/

by **TexasBlue** Tue Nov 16, 2010 3:28 pm

Palin pushed for teaching creationism in Alaska's schools? She believes dinosaurs roamed the Earth 4,000 years ago? Nope.

"I don't think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn't have to be part of the curriculum."

She added that, if elected, she would not push the state Board of Education to add such creation-based alternatives to the state's required curriculum.

by **TexasBlue** Tue Nov 16, 2010 3:29 pm

Q: Did you only want to teach creationism in school and not evolution?

A: No. In fact, growing up in a school teacher’s house with a science teacher as a dad, you know, I have great respect for science being taught in our science classes and evolution to be taught in our science classes.

Source: 2008 Fox News interview on “Hannity & Colmes” Sep 17, 2008

She told the Anchorage Daily News that schools should not fear teaching creationism alongside evolution. “Teach both. You know, don’t be afraid of information.... Healthy debate is so important and it’s so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both. And you know, I say this too as a daughter of a science teacher.”

Source: Boston Globe, “A valentine to evangelical base”, p. A12 Aug 30, 2008

by **TexasBlue** Tue Nov 16, 2010 3:33 pm

Palin on Roe v Wade:

If Roe v. Wade got overturned, let people decide what’s next. (Oct 2006)

by **TexasBlue** Tue Nov 16, 2010 3:35 pm

People say that Palin flip-flopped on global warming during the Charles Gibson interview. What she said to Gibson was, "I believe that man's activities certainly can be contributing to the issue of global warming."

by **TexasBlue** Tue Nov 16, 2010 4:09 pm

The Washington Post rushed out with a story that Sarah Palin “slashed” funding for teen moms. Funds that the Post writer described as “slashed” was over a threefold increase from the government funds they received from all sources in 2006.
http://www.legfin.state.ak.us/BudgetReports/GetBackupDocuments.php?Year=2008&Type=proj&Number=48722&NumberType=LFD

Them nasty conservatives! Very Happy

http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/09/04/our-operating-budget-was-not-reduced-director-of-teen-center/

by **TexasBlue** Tue Nov 16, 2010 4:12 pm

The Palin Rape Kit Myth

http://townhall.com/Columnists/AmandaCarpenter/2008/09/11/the_palin_rape_kit_myth

by **TexasBlue** Tue Nov 16, 2010 4:22 pm

She wasn’t a member of the secessionist Alaska Independence Party, although her husband once was.

http://beldar.blogs.com/beldarblog/2008/09/not-a-radical-s.html

by **TexasBlue** Tue Nov 16, 2010 4:29 pm

Yep, she was an Assembly of God holy roller. No, she doesn’t attend an AoG church now. Yep, she did leave the AoG because they were getting too weird for her.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/04/palins-pentecostal-church-membership-questioned/

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/06/and-no-shes-not-a-religious-extremist-either/

And as the blogger said in the above link.....

How long did it take for them to investigate the political radicalism at Trinity United Church of Christ and Jeremiah Wright? 15 months. How long did it take for them to start with Palin and her religious beliefs? Less than a week.

by **TexasBlue** Tue Nov 16, 2010 4:31 pm

Palin hasn't pushed creationism as Alaska governor

Associated Press
Sept. 3, 2008

ANCHORAGE, Alaska — While Sarah Palin has said she believes creationism should be taught alongside evolution in public schools, as Alaska governor, she has kept a campaign pledge not to push the idea in the schools.

As for her personal views on evolution, Palin, now Republican John McCain’s vice presidential running mate, has said, “I believe we have a creator.” But she has not made clear whether her belief also allows her to accept the theory of evolution as fact.

“I’m not going to pretend I know how all this came to be,” she has been quoted as saying.

McCain said during a debate last year that he believed in evolution when it came to the origin of life.

When asked during a televised debate in 2006 about evolution and creationism, Palin said, according to the Anchorage Daily News: “Teach both. You know, don’t be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important, and it’s so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both.”

In a subsequent interview with the Daily News, Palin said discussion of alternative views on the origins of life should be allowed in Alaska classrooms. “I don’t think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn’t have to be part of the curriculum,” she said.

“It’s OK to let kids know that there are theories out there. They gain information just by being in a discussion.”

Creationism is the belief that the Earth and its creatures were created by a deity. It’s an alternative to the origin of life explanation taught in public schools under the theory of evolution, which puts forth that all living organisms descended from a common ancestral gene pool.

Palin said during her 2006 gubernatorial campaign that if she were elected, she would not push the state Board of Education to add creation-based alternatives to the state’s required curriculum, or look for creationism advocates when she appointed board members.

At a GOP presidential debate in May 2007 in Simi Valley, Calif., McCain said he believed in evolution.

“But,” he added, “I also believe, when I hike the Grand Canyon and see it at sunset, that the hand of God is there also.”

Palin’s children attend public schools, and Palin has made no push to have creationism taught in them.

Neither have Palin’s socially conservative personal views on issues like abortion and gay marriage been translated into policies during her 20 months as Alaska’s chief executive. It reflects a hands-off attitude by most Alaskans toward mixing government and religion.

“She has basically ignored social issues, period,” said Gregg Erickson, an economist and columnist for the Alaska Budget Report.

by **TexasBlue** Tue Nov 16, 2010 4:37 pm

And the fucking grand daddy of them all! Busting the myth that she said dinosaurs were here 4,000 years ago.

From CNN of all places with the guy who made it up admitting to it.

by **TexasBlue** Tue Nov 16, 2010 4:39 pm

You guys gave me something to do.... dig up myths of Sarah Palin.

Now.... I've pointed out repeatedly that I don't think she's electable. I don't think she'd make a good president. What she is good at is pissing off the left.

I had fun digging all of this up. Very Happy

by i_luv_miley Tue Nov 16, 2010 5:17 pm

TexasBlue wrote:What she is good at is pissing off the left.

I had fun digging all of this up.

Unfortunately there are plenty of people that want her solely for that reason.

As for the stuff you posted, that's all well and good and perhaps some of the criticism against her is unwarranted. But one thing cannot be disputed: she quit as governor and then went on to become a celebrity. That is not the mark of someone we should trust. IMO, she's nothing more than an attention seeker.

And to think John McCain chose her to be his running mate. Rolling Eyes

by dblboggie Tue Nov 16, 2010 5:24 pm

TexasBlue wrote:You guys gave me something to do.... dig up myths of Sarah Palin.

Now.... I've pointed out repeatedly that I don't think she's electable. I don't think she'd make a good president. What she is good at is pissing off the left.

I had fun digging all of this up.

Good job Tex. Again, we see how some how bought into the myths circulated not just in cyberspace, but in the mainstream media itself, and have run with it without so much as a nod toward objective research to see if what they were parroting was true or not.

by **TexasBlue** Tue Nov 16, 2010 5:36 pm

i_luv_miley wrote:As for the stuff you posted, that's all well and good and perhaps some of the criticism against her is unwarranted. But one thing cannot be disputed: she quit as governor and then went on to become a celebrity. That is not the mark of someone we should trust. IMO, she's nothing more than an attention seeker.

And to think John McCain chose her to be his running mate.

Much of the criticism towards her was unwarranted. Are there things that the left disagrees with on her policies? Of course! I wouldn't suggest otherwise. It would make me a hypocrite in my criticism of Obama and other Democrats.

She quit. So what? The bullshit she had to listen to for the duration of the campaign was relentless. The fucked up shit people said about her daughter (Bristol) was beyond the pale. Not even conservatives went after Obama's kid. When she resigned, it didn't bother me. So, why should it bother anyone else? Unless people are obsessed with what she does, nobody should care. I personally believe she did it to deflect the shit she was going to be hammered on. She's still being hammered and she's not even running for any political office for Christ sake!

I sincerely tire of criticism of people who aren't in office setting national policy. Half the shit people accused her of is false. Another facet is how people say things like 'she'd roll back Roe v Wade.' Saying something of that stature is such bullshit that I can't let stuff like that go unanswered. Presidents and VP's can't change a law that has been ruled on by the USSC with a stroke of a pen. It's like Cable saying that "At least 16 states still have pre-1973 anti-abortion laws on the books even though they are clearly unconstitutional and nullified under Roe v. Wade." That was a blatant misrepresentation of the truth.

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