The republican party and tea party are for lower American wages and the eradication

pf the EPA in order for the corporations to be allowed to compete with China and other foreign nations.

What will be the work environment in the US?

What will be the standard of living if wages go down and the Affordable Health Care Act is gone?

What the hell is this??????????????

A discussion question.

I can tell you that I believe in strong unions to keep workers safe and to make sure if they create profit, they share in it. I can tell you that I believe a strong middle class makes this nation strong as the more who have spending money, the more they spend and the more jobs are created.

I can tell you that I believe we as a nation are only as strong as the health of our poorest people. Sick people can't fight wars...and they cause much more in the way of tax dollars than healthy people do.

If you believe in lowering wages and getting rid of collective bargaining for employees in public and private sectors, in over turning the Affordable Health Care Act, in eradicating the EPA, what are your expectations for this nation? What are your philosophies of making this nation strong?

TexasBlue wrote:What the hell is this??????????

A little too much LSD in the 60s and 70s?

That'd be my best guess.

dblboggie wrote:

TexasBlue wrote:What the hell is this??????????

A little too much LSD in the 60s and 70s?

That'd be my best guess.

Do you support lowering wages for American workers?

Do you support destroying the EPA?

Do you believe in destroying the Affordable Health Care Act and returning to for profit health care?

If so, what do you see is the future of the American worker? What is the reality of the American family in the future?

Cookie Parker wrote:A discussion question.

I can tell you that I believe in strong unions to keep workers safe

There's already federals laws on this and other state laws that supplement the federal laws.

Cookie Parker wrote:and to make sure if they create profit, they share in it.

No company is obligated to "share" in any profits. None. To even think that is just insane.

Cookie Parker wrote:I can tell you that I believe we as a nation are only as strong as the health of our poorest people. Sick people can't fight wars...and they cause much more in the way of tax dollars than healthy people do.

Gov't has no constitutional right to force me to have health insurance. Medicare and Medicaid take care of the poor and elderly.

Cookie Parker wrote:If you believe in lowering wages and getting rid of collective bargaining for employees in public and private sectors, in over turning the Affordable Health Care Act, in eradicating the EPA, what are your expectations for this nation? What are your philosophies of making this nation strong?

Nobody has ever said they want to lower wages. I dare you to post a documented quote of any politician saying that. To even suggest that without backing it up is just hyperbole.

Public sector unions should have no right to collective bargaining. The federal gov't unions can't do it. Neither should state employees that are unionized.

Overturn the AHCA. It's unconstitutional and will be found to be just that by the SCOTUS next year when they hear the case. It's plain socialism. If Europeans like that, then it's all good for them as far as I'm concerned.

The EPA has taken to making it's own rules. The EPA is not a body to make rules (laws). That's the job of the congress. The EPA is there to enforce environmental laws. The FBI doesn't get to make it's own laws.

TexasBlue wrote:

Cookie Parker wrote:A discussion question.

I can tell you that I believe in strong unions to keep workers safe

There's already federals laws on this and other state laws that supplement the federal laws.

Cookie Parker wrote:and to make sure if they create profit, they share in it.

No company is obligated to "share" in any profits. None. To even think that is just insane.

Cookie Parker wrote:I can tell you that I believe we as a nation are only as strong as the health of our poorest people. Sick people can't fight wars...and they cause much more in the way of tax dollars than healthy people do.

Gov't has no constitutional right to force me to have health insurance. Medicare and Medicaid take care of the poor and elderly.

Cookie Parker wrote:If you believe in lowering wages and getting rid of collective bargaining for employees in public and private sectors, in over turning the Affordable Health Care Act, in eradicating the EPA, what are your expectations for this nation? What are your philosophies of making this nation strong?

Nobody has ever said they want to lower wages. I dare you to post a documented quote of any politician saying that. To even suggest that without backing it up is just hyperbole.

Public sector unions should have no right to collective bargaining. The federal gov't unions can't do it. Neither should state employees that are unionized.

Overturn the AHCA. It's unconstitutional and will be found to be just that by the SCOTUS next year when they hear the case. It's plain socialism. If Europeans like that, then it's all good for them as far as I'm concerned.

The EPA has taken to making it's own rules. The EPA is not a body to make rules (laws). That's the job of the congress. The EPA is there to enforce environmental laws. The FBI doesn't get to make it's own laws.

TexasBlue wrote:

Cookie Parker wrote:A discussion question.

I can tell you that I believe in strong unions to keep workers safe

There's already federals laws on this and other state laws that supplement the federal laws.

Cookie Parker wrote:and to make sure if they create profit, they share in it.

No company is obligated to "share" in any profits. None. To even think that is just insane.

Cookie Parker wrote:I can tell you that I believe we as a nation are only as strong as the health of our poorest people. Sick people can't fight wars...and they cause much more in the way of tax dollars than healthy people do.

Gov't has no constitutional right to force me to have health insurance. Medicare and Medicaid take care of the poor and elderly.

Cookie Parker wrote:If you believe in lowering wages and getting rid of collective bargaining for employees in public and private sectors, in over turning the Affordable Health Care Act, in eradicating the EPA, what are your expectations for this nation? What are your philosophies of making this nation strong?

Nobody has ever said they want to lower wages. I dare you to post a documented quote of any politician saying that. To even suggest that without backing it up is just hyperbole.

Public sector unions should have no right to collective bargaining. The federal gov't unions can't do it. Neither should state employees that are unionized.

Overturn the AHCA. It's unconstitutional and will be found to be just that by the SCOTUS next year when they hear the case. It's plain socialism. If Europeans like that, then it's all good for them as far as I'm concerned.

The EPA has taken to making it's own rules. The EPA is not a body to make rules (laws). That's the job of the congress. The EPA is there to enforce environmental laws. The FBI doesn't get to make it's own laws.

I wish you would focus on what I am asking.

Do you believe in the disbanding of unions both private and public?

Do you believe in getting rid of the collective bargaining for workers?

Do you believe in abolishing the minimum wage?

Do you believe in abolishing Child Labor Laws?

Do you believe in the Right to Work laws which allow employers to pay below minimum wage?

All these labor issues are being pursued by the republican party to get RID of them.

Do you believe in getting rid of the Affordable Health Care Act? If so, do you believe in for profit health care? Why is it only the rich should be entitled to health care in a nation? Can a child help it if they are born into a poor family? With the eradication of birth control and abortion funding for the poor, the poor children WILL be born. Why do you not think the government and the people have a responsibility to see to it that they have good health care when it is the government and some of the people who demanded they were born?

Do you believe in getting rid of the EPA standards? If so, where should the most pollution from factories be? In DC? Near gated communities?

Mark85la wrote:

TexasBlue wrote:

Cookie Parker wrote:A discussion question.

I can tell you that I believe in strong unions to keep workers safe

There's already federals laws on this and other state laws that supplement the federal laws.

Cookie Parker wrote:and to make sure if they create profit, they share in it.

No company is obligated to "share" in any profits. None. To even think that is just insane.

Cookie Parker wrote:I can tell you that I believe we as a nation are only as strong as the health of our poorest people. Sick people can't fight wars...and they cause much more in the way of tax dollars than healthy people do.

Gov't has no constitutional right to force me to have health insurance. Medicare and Medicaid take care of the poor and elderly.

Cookie Parker wrote:If you believe in lowering wages and getting rid of collective bargaining for employees in public and private sectors, in over turning the Affordable Health Care Act, in eradicating the EPA, what are your expectations for this nation? What are your philosophies of making this nation strong?

Nobody has ever said they want to lower wages. I dare you to post a documented quote of any politician saying that. To even suggest that without backing it up is just hyperbole.

Public sector unions should have no right to collective bargaining. The federal gov't unions can't do it. Neither should state employees that are unionized.

Overturn the AHCA. It's unconstitutional and will be found to be just that by the SCOTUS next year when they hear the case. It's plain socialism. If Europeans like that, then it's all good for them as far as I'm concerned.

The EPA has taken to making it's own rules. The EPA is not a body to make rules (laws). That's the job of the congress. The EPA is there to enforce environmental laws. The FBI doesn't get to make it's own laws.

If the highlighted area is what you believe, then why are the tea party governors taking away collective bargaining from their public employees and giving tax cuts and breaks to the rich corporations, forcing laying off and down grading the pay of the rest of the state employees? If the highlighted area is what you believe, what of the tea party governors putting in Right to Work laws which allows corporations to pay below minimum wage? If the highlighted area is what you believe, then why is the Maine Tea party governor trying to get rid of Child Labor laws?

Cookie Parker wrote:I wish you would focus on what I am asking.

Do you believe in the disbanding of unions both private and public?

Only public sector.

Cookie Parker wrote:Do you believe in getting rid of the collective bargaining for workers?

Only for public sector.

Cookie Parker wrote:Do you believe in abolishing the minimum wage?

Yes. The federal gov't has no constitutional right to dictate wages. States? Yes. California has it's own.

Cookie Parker wrote:Do you believe in abolishing Child Labor Laws?

No. Who does?

Cookie Parker wrote:Do you believe in the Right to Work laws which allow employers to pay below minimum wage?

Yes. Right to work is just that. You don't have to take a job if you don't like the pay. The slaughter house here in town found that out in the last two years. They couldn't get anyone to hire on. Not even the Mexicans. What did they do? They raised their hourly top wage from $12.30 to $14.85. After 90 days, a worker makes that much there now.

Cookie Parker wrote:All these labor issues are being pursued by the republican party to get RID of them.

State some hard facts.... and I don't want them from some left wing web site either.

Cookie Parker wrote:Do you believe in getting rid of the Affordable Health Care Act?

Already gave my opinion on that in this very thread.

Cookie Parker wrote:If so, do you believe in for profit health care?

Yeah, I do. What sense does it make for a doctor to open a practice and not make money? Gov't has no constitutional right to dictate that.

Cookie Parker wrote:Why is it only the rich should be entitled to health care in a nation?

I'm not rich and I have health care.

Cookie Parker wrote:Can a child help it if they are born into a poor family?

The family can get the child on Medicaid. The father (or mother) can get a job that has health insurance.

Cookie Parker wrote:With the eradication of birth control and abortion funding for the poor, the poor children WILL be born.

See above.

Poor children are born into poor families every year.

Cookie Parker wrote:Why do you not think the government and the people have a responsibility to see to it that they have good health care when it is the government and some of the people who demanded they were born?

You ever read the constitution? Show me where it says that the gov't shall provide for the poor (or anyone)?

Nobody is forced to have kids. That's just insane.

Cookie Parker wrote:Do you believe in getting rid of the EPA standards? If so, where should the most pollution from factories be? In DC? Near gated communities?

Depends on the standards.

Cookie Parker wrote:If the highlighted area is what you believe, then why are the tea party governors taking away collective bargaining from their public employees and giving tax cuts and breaks to the rich corporations, forcing laying off and down grading the pay of the rest of the state employees? If the highlighted area is what you believe, what of the tea party governors putting in Right to Work laws which allows corporations to pay below minimum wage? If the highlighted area is what you believe, then why is the Maine Tea party governor trying to get rid of Child Labor laws?

There is no such thing as a Tea Party governor. Stop making such crazy accusations.

TexasBlue wrote:

Cookie Parker wrote:If the highlighted area is what you believe, then why are the tea party governors taking away collective bargaining from their public employees and giving tax cuts and breaks to the rich corporations, forcing laying off and down grading the pay of the rest of the state employees? If the highlighted area is what you believe, what of the tea party governors putting in Right to Work laws which allows corporations to pay below minimum wage? If the highlighted area is what you believe, then why is the Maine Tea party governor trying to get rid of Child Labor laws?

There is no such thing as a Tea Party governor. Stop making such crazy accusations.

You did not answer my questions....do you have an opinion or speculation about what lowering the wages for American workers by the republicans and tea partiers will do?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/22/us/22koch.html?_r=2&smid=fb-nytimes&WT.mc_id=US-SM-E-FB-SM-LIN-KBM-022211-NYT-NA&WT.mc_ev=click

Okay, the Koch Brothers, who financially support the tea party movement, governors who support getting rid of collective bargaining for the public and private sector.

Cookie Parker wrote:

TexasBlue wrote:

Cookie Parker wrote:A discussion question.

I can tell you that I believe in strong unions to keep workers safe

There's already federals laws on this and other state laws that supplement the federal laws.

Cookie Parker wrote:and to make sure if they create profit, they share in it.

No company is obligated to "share" in any profits. None. To even think that is just insane.

Cookie Parker wrote:I can tell you that I believe we as a nation are only as strong as the health of our poorest people. Sick people can't fight wars...and they cause much more in the way of tax dollars than healthy people do.

Gov't has no constitutional right to force me to have health insurance. Medicare and Medicaid take care of the poor and elderly.

Cookie Parker wrote:If you believe in lowering wages and getting rid of collective bargaining for employees in public and private sectors, in over turning the Affordable Health Care Act, in eradicating the EPA, what are your expectations for this nation What are your philosophies of making this nation strong

Nobody has ever said they want to lower wages. I dare you to post a documented quote of any politician saying that. To even suggest that without backing it up is just hyperbole.

Public sector unions should have no right to collective bargaining. The federal gov't unions can't do it. Neither should state employees that are unionized.

Overturn the AHCA. It's unconstitutional and will be found to be just that by the SCOTUS next year when they hear the case. It's plain socialism. If Europeans like that, then it's all good for them as far as I'm concerned.

The EPA has taken to making it's own rules. The EPA is not a body to make rules (laws). That's the job of the congress. The EPA is there to enforce environmental laws. The FBI doesn't get to make it's own laws.

I wish you would focus on what I am asking.

Do you believe in the disbanding of unions both private and public

Do you believe in getting rid of the collective bargaining for workers

Do you believe in abolishing the minimum wage

Do you believe in abolishing Child Labor Laws

Do you believe in the Right to Work laws which allow employers to pay below minimum wage

All these labor issues are being pursued by the republican party to get RID of them.

Do you believe in getting rid of the Affordable Health Care Act If so, do you believe in for profit health care Why is it only the rich should be entitled to health care in a nation Can a child help it if they are born into a poor family With the eradication of birth control and abortion funding for the poor, the poor children WILL be born. Why do you not think the government and the people have a responsibility to see to it that they have good health care when it is the government and some of the people who demanded they were born

Do you believe in getting rid of the EPA standards If so, where should the most pollution from factories be In DC Near gated communities

And I wish you would focus on PRESENTING SOME FACTS!!!

You have YET to make a coherent, SUBSTANTIATED, point in the entirety of this thread! You've made so many blatantly FALSE here that there is no way I could address them all from my phone.

However, one of the most blatantly fallacious claims you made is as follows:

Cookie Parker wrote:Do you believe in the Right to Work laws which allow employers to pay below minimum wage?

The "Right-to-Work" LAW (not "laws") was created in 1947 with the passage of the Taft-Hartley Act - over President Truman's veto by the way. This law simply outlawed the closed union shop. This meant that a person could not be FORCED to join a union against their will as a condition of employment. It also outlawed a union from firing a person because they had displeased a union in some way, even though that person had done nothing to violate the employers rules.

Until Taft-Hartly, unions could rule a shop with an iron fist through intimidation and threat of firing.

But the right-to-work law does NOT mean that employers in right-to-work states can pay less than minimum wage! That is a BLATANT LIE!!!

I suggest you do your research before regurgitating those far-left talking points.

As for the Koch brothers; it's funny how the left wails and foams at the mouth every time the Koch brothers contribute to causes they believe in, but you NEVER HEAR A PEEP from these same hypocrite leftists when billionaire liberals like George Soros (a convicted felon), Bill Gates, Steve Jobs (before he died), Warren Buffet, Ted Turner, John Sperling (University of Phoenix - yes a dedicated leftist runs the largest for-profit university in the US), Peter Lewis (Progressive Insurance), Herb and Marion Sandler (billionaire profiteers from the savings and loan crisis), John Doerr (venture capitalist with huge investments in "green" energy), Julian Robertson (Tiger Management - hedge funds), Nicholas Berggruen (investments), Donald Sussman (Paloma Partners), or Rachel Hunter (Hyatt Hotels heir) spend BILLIONS to forward a leftist agenda, influence legislation (and even write it in some cases) and elect leftist Democrats.

This is just like the far-left, bitch and moan when those on the right do what those on the left do on a routine basis.

*Sigh*

Tex,
Why shouldn't public employees have the right to collective bargaining?


Mac

Mac McFadden wrote:Tex,
Why shouldn't public employees have the right to collective bargaining?

Public employees unions are organized against the might and greed of what? The public? The govt? Gov't already has civil service laws that have to be adhered by.

Gov't collective bargaining means voters don't have the final say on public policy. Instead, their elected representatives must negotiate spending and policy decisions with unions. That's not exactly democratic, which is a fact that unions recognize.

Our Constitution says that all citizens should be "equal before the law".
Yet you would selectively deny them the right to organize their labor?

Protected against the "might and greed" of bureaucracy.
Civil Service Laws are inadequate to deal with day to day disagreements over job descriptions.
And THANK GOD "voters" do NOT have the final say on wages and benefits or all public sector workers would be making minimum wage with NO health care or retirement benefits.
Over the years MANY public service Unions have responded to budget shortfalls by making concessions.
Asking them to pay for a tax cut for corporations is unconscionable.
(And is also UNdemocratic.)
That is the "might and greed" that they need to be protected from.
The "might and greed" of politicians who have been bought and paid for.


Mac